What do you like least about Marina Reserve?

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Level 1
I am strongly against the skate park in the Marina Reserve.This park is a peaceful place to sit ,walk with the dog off the leed ,or have a BBQ.To put a concrete skate park hear will change face of the neighbourhood we thought we lived in .Why should this be changed to cater for a minority group,when there are better sites to suit .As residents of Marine Parade we didn,t move here to have a skate park and toilets in our front garden. The skate parks we have visited in other areas, were not so invasive on the local residents. They were also covered in graffiti ,this will be no different. If the Fitzroy St site was deemed inappropiate because it was too close to a school ,why is it ok to have it here .There are many young families with chidren in the area that use the park. We have had trouble with hoons in the middle of the night , doing burn outs and booming music .The gates were installed and closed at 11.00pm to prevent this . The plan has no provision for gates. The Port Phillip Council have had there application ,for a skate park at the Marina Reserve. Refused by the Department of Sustainability and Environment in 2001 and 2004 why should it be suitable now.
Level 3
Skateboarding is healthy & deceases crime in the areas they are built.
Level 1
I live across the road from the proposed Marina upgrade and believe that it does require some sort of tidy up or enhancement but adding a skate park will only add to the idiots/rev heads that hangout at the car park even more.
Level 3
Yes I agree with you hollie75 .So lets put the skate park at the St Kilda Triangle .
Level 4
Please someone explain how you get some correlation between Hoons & Skateboarders. These relationships have been surveyed on many many occasions, the skate parks have been found by all Universities, councils & Governments across the world to decrease crime in the area their built. If you don't believe me here is one done by the Queensland Government in 2006... http://www.health.qld.gov.au/ph/documents/hpu/healthykidsqld2006d.pdf
Level 5
Brent I worked for the Youth bus and visited the city skate park many times and certainly found that crime had not decreased in the area it actually gave many youths a place to hangout and drink without any adult supervision. You obviously have not seen the kinds of people who already hangout in that carpark.
Level 1
THE SURVEY LINK IS NOT AVAILABLE !
Level 3
The survey is now closed and the results are available in the library section on the right-hand side of this page.
Level 1
I am at a loss to understand why the proposed skate park cannot be located in Albert Park reserve where there is already the foundation for this. It is an open space, has parking, family facilities, is safe and does not impact on neighbours. Albert Park reserve is already a sporting destination, and should there ever be an interest in expanding the effort to include competition events, this is entirely the better option. The MArine reserve should remain exactly that - Marine Reserve. While there is already shoreline development, there is no sensible argument I have heard that demands we add to the shoreline development with something so much at odds with other activity that takes place there. I have no objection to a skate park per se, just this proposed location seems to be completely ill thought through.
Level 3
A quick answer, there was only one location in Albert Park offered for the skatepark by the parks commission. Corner of Fitzroy street. The authority over the park did surveys and felt that the middle of the park wasnt a good spot and was only prepared to have th park in Fitzroy street, so when that was knocked back all options for the skatepark in any other spot in the park were gone. Their word is the final one.
Level 4
Albert Park would like to have a Skate Park facility. They certainly have the room to build a First Class facility. The police did not want it to be the middle of the park as they were concerned about the safety of children. Albert Park would be happy to place the skate Park further up Fitzroy St. towards the Junction away from the school
Level 1
The area is under utilised, with poor maintenance and useless car parking. The proposed skate park and multiuse development of the area is a welcome addition to the area. The view from the north edge of the reserve back over St Kilda and to Melbourne city is brilliant. At the moment getting to waters edge is not possible for everyone because of the poor condition of the ground, and the edge treatment and the state of the waters edge is a disgrace. The small carpark is a stain on the foreshore amenity. To develop the reserve inline with the rest of the St Kilda foreshore, and for all users to enjoy, the carpark should be removed completely. The sight lines across the park need to be maintained, so the details of new trees, landscaping and structures need to maximise the views from the road across the reserve.
Level 3
there are already palm trees on the perimeter.. they just need to grow.. as for getting to waters edge - it's supported by a retaining wall and is not a beach. one can easily get to the edge if they want - the just have to navigate the rocks.. As for eliminating parking.. u propably live close and are probably one person who drives everywhere but you dont' have to drive to this location. When i had an achilles injury and coulnt' walk - i relied on getting to use this carpark - as the public beach carpark has been already taken away next to Riva.
Level 1
Well done, the Council at last night's session. Once people realised that a skate park is likely to use only about 5% of the area and that the range of improvements to the rest of it include landscaping, making better access to the beach and maybe even organising the water flow so that the beach gets flushed properly each tide, they all got excited. The contributions of ideas were terrific. Now all we have to do is add some trees and other vegetation, retain some open space and avoid the temptation to over-design the place. It will become a great resource for locals and visitors - and even for skaters! Oh yes, and please put pressure on Parks Victoria to move the objectionable jet ski activity.
Level 3
Another vote for the plan. Still some detailed work to be done, but overall draft is very good
Level 3
It is so nice to hear that the procedures and planning with residents and Council is going well. After all, that is what council wants; to work with the community cooperatively and achieve an end result, the skate park with a supportive community. Also, as I missed the meeting what is the jet ski activity that is being suggested?
Level 4
Lisa, noise and other amenity issues associated with jet skis have been raised during consultation processes, including the community workshop.
Level 5
I'd rather see the jetski activities than a skating park. Jetskis are not noisy. Idle speed is a must 200m from beach area. Maybe better policing by water police will create the area more enjoyable and adventrous. Its good to see that this reserve area is being utilised by skiers and other patrons (dogs and swimmers etc). Building a skatepark would create more graffiti and uncontrolable area. A proposition of a toilet block .....Is it required on every 300-400 metres? And the new tree plantation does that mean we need to block the views of the residents who particularly bought their residential places for views? As an example look at the non-maintained bushes starting from 12-24 Marine Pde. Is that what the council wants to do past building 24 and onwards. Lets tidy the area up a bit like it is towards Sth Melb and PortMelb.
Level 6
Jazza.... You can't have jetski's, dogs and people swimming in the same area. It is now a very dangerous, noisy beach. Previous years dogs and their owners enjoyed the swimming area as it is the only dog beach during summer at St Kilda. It is now impossible as the jetski's (non-residents) come right in to shore, leave an oil film on the surface, and pollute the silence with their roaring engines. You can hear them two streets back. Check it out!
Level 1
I agree with Mick in that I feel as though the Marina Reserve is very a underutilized space within the City of Port Phillip. I was a previous member of the Skate-park consultation group (2008) and I would like to note that some of the reasoning this area was chosen and perused was due to it's low utilization. Although, I do understand that it would be impacting on green-land, I do not feel it would not be taking away beach views but rather enhancing them as well as beach utilization. For example, the Bondi Beach Skate Park in Sydney is great example of how Beach Skate parks work well with the community, as they then provide recreation for all ages, as well as enhancing or rather drawing more public interest and thus increasing utilization for the community as a whole. Also, I would like to note that Council is open to listening to all residents and their needs, they will be conducting consultation sessions to assure as many needs of the community are met as possible, so feel free to attend and share your views the details are available on the Council webpage.
Level 3
Bondi Beach is a much larger area.. this is a small area of green space + should be left as a quiet space compared to the much larger field on the other side of the Marina - definitely under utilised. Not everything needs to be crammed in and developed. There is nothing wrong with having a quiet picnic area and safe space for people for quiet enjoyment. A skate park - hole in the ground - can be put anywhere- but you cannot replicate a beach view, nor being able to watch a quiet ambient sunset without noise. this site is totally inappropriate.. and a better selection of space should be sought.
Level 4
I think the Marina/Esplanade area at the moment & has been for more than 50 years been a place with a noisy road with tons of traffic including large trucks, this doesn't seem to be taken into consideration. Also its not a very pleasant place as it is right now, would be a lovely place to take families, if a decent picnic area was put their with more vegetation, at the moment it is a wasteland, next to a busy road. A skate park facility would also create a safe place for families to go & enjoy themselves, with kids enjoying doing what they like, which is free & away from the more hostile areas of St Kilda.
Level 4
again, appreciate your opinion, however I believe a skatepark cant go anywhere. Its a facility for youth, so there are many parameters that need to be followed. I know there are many places that wouldnt be suitable for a place where children play.
Level 1
I agree wholehertedly with Joandennis.. and hope more people can be bothered to register with Bang the Table for comment. But more to the point - I'm concerned that the Council will not listen to resident views and try to plough this one through. This is not an appropriate space for Skate Park when there is one just around the corner @ Elsternwick Park + one at Albert Park. Leave our beach views alone.
Level 3
I agree with redrose22, I simply don't understand why this area has been nominated at all. I am a resident who lives right opposite the marina and I am concerned not only about the points raised by joandennis but the traffic congestion. It is bad enough that there are issues with traffic and now newly erected bike paths which again minimise parking for local residents, now there is also a plan for yet another crossing to add to the already congested marine parade...
Level 3
appreciate your opinion, but to let you know, Elsterwick Park and Albert park are both outdated facilities. Would be comparable to giving a penny farthing to a child as a bike for xmas.
Level 3
It's a dirt covered, wind blown wasteland that is under utilised. The upgrade to recreational facilities can't come quick enough.
Level 4
This is a park that the residents like using the way it is ,not as a graffiti covered skate park .I hardly think the wind will change any time soon.
Level 5
77% of Port Philip Residents think it is a great idea to build a skate park at this site.
Level 1
I am not sure if you mean about the future Marina Reserve or about the present Marina Reserve? The future Marina Reserve sounds ok but my concern is what about the future noise,garbage,maintenance,cleaniness,graffiti? or is this in the hands of another contractor with such accountability that seems to go unnoticed by the council.
Level 3
The questions 'what do you like most and what do you like least' are referring to the existing conditions and space of Marina Reserve.